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    Post by litterbox012 Mon 23 Mar 2009, 00:48

    I was wondering why did Lelouch ask Suzaku to kill him(Lelouch) . So far, I could only think up of 2 reasons :

    -He wanted to create a world where no one will doubt him.Therefore, he killed himself so no one will live in fear.

    -He wanted to erase Euphemia's name "the masscare princess".

    I also can't figure out why he wanted to erase euphemia's "bad" name.


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    Post by Hokuto-chan Mon 23 Mar 2009, 03:28

    litterbox012 wrote:

    -He wanted to create a world where no one will doubt him.Therefore, he killed himself so no one will live in fear.


    That is somewhat right, actually. Lelouch's plan was to become a horrible Emperor in order to have everyone against him, he wanted Suzaku to kill him inorder to bring the country peaceful for Nunnally and all the people that he cares for to live in. Lelouch also told Suzaku to dress up as Zero and kill him to make it look like Zero killed Lelouch (whom most of the people in the series don't know that Lelouch is actually Zero) to make Zero the good guy and Lelouch the bad guy.

    I probaly missed something else important. . . but I think that was pretty much it.
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    Post by YamiSakura Mon 23 Mar 2009, 04:04

    haha~~ I wrote an LJ entry about it for my thought on Lelouch after I watch the finale on Sept 28... I suppose I can share my insight / opinion of him here ^.^

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    And I would admit as well that... it is till the final episode, till everything that got wrapped up in such a beautiful, sad ending that I understood Lulu. Since the start of R2, I have my doubt of his behavior... his way of thinking always seems so extreme that there are many points in times, I [and as well the world of Code Geass] don't agree with his action. To me, he seems to have changed from the kind-hearted and logical sense in Season 1 to a cold-hearted and "Why don't you see those people around you?? [sort of my rolo side screaming ^^;;]" of R2. He changed to a person that draw in people to dislike his action, and yet all those action are only a shield/mask that he put forth... As he screamed at Rolo... "how much he dislike him, how many times he want to kill him" [which those are true] BUT the moment when Rolo was trying to save him and overuse his geass which would lead to his death... he screamed back without a second thought, "Your heart can't withstand it and you will die. STOP USING THE GEASS"!! Under the mask of his cold-hearted self still lie his kind-heart that has never changed.

    When Nunnally was under hostile, despite knowing how much Suzaku has been waiting for the chance to expose him as Zero, he put down the mask and face him. Despite it is an accident in geassing Euphie for the masscre, he never put in any excuse and accept the fault and the sin all upon himself. When Nunnally turned against him and reject his action and misunderstand him as being such a despitable, hateful and cold-blooded murderer; all behind those mask, only lie a soft-heart that want to give the simple/peaceful world to Nunnally himself as his motivation since the beginning. Setting up himself to be hated by everyone in the world, tainted himself with blood of sacrasfice, making himself to be the sole ruler and most sinful person in the world... and in the end carrying out the plan of "Zero Requinsh" for his own death to shine a future of hope to the whole world.

    It is true he has never changed since the beginning. His goal, his motivation, he stay true to the path he believe in...
    And yes, I know it is an open end that it COULD mean Lelouch is still alive with the whole CC's speech in the end ^.~ But nevertheless, Lelouch is the boy who has been fighting this battle all alone and is ready to get himself killed just to seek a peaceful world for Nunnally and for everyone!! *sigh*
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    Post by litterbox012 Tue 24 Mar 2009, 01:32

    I never though of it like that.. But I'm still confused about Euphie though. Then Lelouch also said to Zero(actualy Suzaku) that suzaku will live as Zero as punishment. I'm also confused about it.
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    Post by kurorintenshi Tue 24 Mar 2009, 03:25

    I was thinking that living was Suzaku's punishment because he wanted to die,that's why Lelouch put the geass on him(Making the detonation of Fleya entirely Lelouches fault and leading to that stupid scene where Suzaku RAN from Bismark-am I bitter? Yeah a little XD). But for the plan to work he has to live regardless of what he wants for himself which is why Lelouch called it his "punishment".
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    Post by Syaoran Thu 09 Apr 2009, 15:48

    Hey, litterbox! I edited the topic name slightly because the topic's name per se was a spoiler. >_> A little late, but still...

    Anyway, I think Lelouch's rise and demise as a cruel cold-hearted emperor is one of the reasons. People can only build something new when they break anything or have it broken, like the Britannia empire. This was Lelouch's idea all along: to defeat Britannia. And this didn't change even after he assumed the throne.

    I also believe that he died to give a reason to go on living: to serve the world as the justice behind the mask of Zero, never taking of that mask, as kurorintenshi pointed.

    Well, about his death, Sunrise is teasing us. At first, they said Lelouch was dead. Then, when speculations about a 3rd season came, they talked about "Lelouch's Death(?)" in a Newtype interview. I don't think that Lelouch was the one on the "Nice Wagon", maybe he was elsewhere.

    I think some things should've been explained better and the ending was a bit too rushed, so I wouldn't doubt Sunrise doing another season of it.
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    Post by Invisible_Writer Fri 10 Apr 2009, 14:15

    Well, I don't think I have to elaborate anymore than those above me so eloquently said. Lelouch told Suzaku to kill him because he wanted the reign of terror from Brittania to end. He wanted Suzaku to wear Zero's costume to show that Zero is, and always will be, the defender of the people. He wanted to enforce that Zero is a symbol, not a person. And I believe Lelouch said the Suzaku will be punished as well because everyone believes him to be dead after the duel with Kallen, and he'll have to be Zero for the rest of his life, and because of the geass inflicted upon him by Lelouch, he can't die yet no matter how much he wants to. I think the feeling of surviving underneath a mask of a celebrated hero while they simultaneously insult the man who was the creator of this symbol is incredibly difficult, if not suffocating. As much as I had conflicting feelings about Suzaku, Lelouch's last words to him made my heart ache. The entire episode made my heart ache. It was truly the first time I came close to crying in an anime. The thought of everyone defaming Lelouch's name but celebrating his life's purpose and not knowing anything otherwise is hard for me to describe. Oh great, I'm getting emotional again ^__^;;

    And as for Lelouch being alive, I'd rather him not be. That would take all the symbolism away from the last episode. I like how it ended, no matter how bittersweet the ending. :)
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    Post by Kirei Ryuusei Sat 11 Apr 2009, 02:29

    All the best antiheros die! I still cry at the ending. I know it's meant to be that way but still.....
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    Post by litterbox012 Fri 17 Apr 2009, 00:24

    Oh my goodness! I'm so sorry! I guess I'm too focused too actually forget that the title was a spoiler. Gomen ne~~

    With Lelouch dying, I thought that it will be the conclusion. But with the speculations of the 3rd season i still think that lelouch should stay dead. Maybe they should make an OVA bout lelouch's past. like what did he lived like? okay... that went off-topic.

    Anyway, I agree with invisible_writer. Lelouch may have wanted Zero to be a symbol. But if he wanted Zero to be a symbol, why did he did all some cruel things in Zero's name? I'm sure that would have tarnished Zero's name too much to be accepted as a symbol. Maybe accepted as a symbol of what the country had suffered maybe but as a symbol of the countrys unity? I doubt so. ( Sorry to all Lelouch fans out there, I'm not mocking him or anything.. Just pointing out my views )

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