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    Post by CuteSherry Thu 23 Oct 2008, 16:14

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    Post by cherrybloms Thu 23 Oct 2008, 17:01

    Thanks very much,cutesherry.The Splash Page is so weird,Is Watanuki is Clow or desecnt him huh
    The chapter is really shocked Shocked
    Yuko and Fei is talking and Syaoran is look so desparte that he let Watanuki in problem and Fei take Syaoran,you are evil.Syaoran said the last word but Watankui open his eyes,Could he see Syaoran?or not? huh
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    Post by Misty Thu 23 Oct 2008, 17:36

    Thank you so much CuteSherry love-solute

    The splash pages is really confused me! Why on Earth is Watanuki wearing Clow's coat? Maybe Watanuki is really in fact, Clow R's reincarnation ( that's just my random thoughts, ^^). Anyway, so Yuuko actually did manage to stop FWR from taking Watanuki as well. Looking at Syaoran's expression, I feel somehow, sorry for him. And I agree, he does look really struggle quite a bit. Poor boy! sad
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    Post by Kit-chan Thu 23 Oct 2008, 17:43

    So...we get an entire chapter with Shaoran standing there screaming at Watanuki while FWR and Yuuko have a bit of a chat over some tea?

    Fascinating. *adjusts monocle*
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    Post by Miko-Angel Thu 23 Oct 2008, 18:28

    Thank you CuteSherry! ^____^

    FWR never cease to stop tormenting innocent people isn't he? Already, he is snatching Syaoran away and now he's trying to snatch Watanuki as well? And the conversation BTW FWR and Yuuko appears interesting and vital. I wonder what they're saying here that makes Syaoran seem so distress angel
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    Post by Hokuto-chan Thu 23 Oct 2008, 20:27

    The spoilers kind of bug me, we have Wata-kun wearing Clow's coat, Syaoran struggiling when Buttchin and Yuko are talking, and Yuko just lets ButtChin take Syaoran. I know that Yuko can only grant wishes but she can't just let Syaoran get taken away...well she does anyways so nevermind then....
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    Post by chibi-chan Thu 23 Oct 2008, 23:02

    Thank you very much!!! CuteSherry hug

    This chapter is so tempting! Darn you FWR hammer Don't you dare take Syaoran away! I can't stand your greedy attitude!>_< . Anyway, I ponder why Butt chin wanted to take Watanuki away too? I really need to see the translation!
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    Post by Shaolan Thu 23 Oct 2008, 23:51

    Wow, thanks al lot CuteCherry. Until vol. 15 I'd never expected this story to become that...."complicated". I mean, clamp love plot twists but there has never been a story being that extreme!
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    Post by TomiSyao Fri 24 Oct 2008, 02:47

    Wow thank you CuteSherry, now I can't wait for the translations at all! But I feel so nervous and confused. Butt Chin's taking Syaoran (but I guess it's a part of the price), Buut Chin and Yuuko talking a lot... and Watanuli in Clow's coat!? Okay, I guess my thoughts aren't soo different from the other's thoughts. I guess we'll have to wait (can't).
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    Post by YamiSakura Fri 24 Oct 2008, 04:50

    Well the translation of this chapter is up wink by CarlosNet
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    *cough* seems like my "attempt translation" yesterday was way off sweat But still, so... the whole point of what FWR wanted out of everything is this concept of time distortion of "duality"!?

    Having a sense of "even though" one existance can be gone but because it is somewhat "become two" that the other half can live on ^^;; Okay, that doesn't make sense but well... yeah, I guess it is that duality thing that create a somewhat "parallel" Clow Country too with the whole Fujitaka-ou become Clow-ou??

    For watanuki, as long as he doesn't disappear, the distortion will "continue on" huh ; or is it as long as he doesn't disppear, there would be no distortion to the dimension??
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    Post by Invisible_Writer Fri 24 Oct 2008, 13:09

    For anyone that wants to know, the scanlation is up now on Onemanga.com smile

    Um, I 'll most likely leave coherent thoughts and speculation on here tomorrow. A mix of fatigue and sleepiness and brain damage has made me temporarily unavailable to speak properly sweat
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    Post by Misty Fri 24 Oct 2008, 13:29

    Thank you for the translations, Yamisakura!

    So this is how he managed to clone Syaoran and Sakura? How did he obtain that hidden "distortion" power? huh . By the way, FWR said Watanuki resembles a younger version of Clow Reed. So, does this mean, Watanuki really is Clow Reed? Watanuki does look a lot like him and Eriol so it makes sense if he's actuallly one of another Clow R's reincanaition. This also gives me an impression that FWR might have known Clow when he was a child, so this could possibly mean that the person FWR is trying to revive is actually Clow Reed after all.
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    Post by nekoi Fri 24 Oct 2008, 13:48

    @ Maggie: Watanuki is "the symble of distortion of dimensions" so therefore this distortion will bring misery to those around him.
    And the second part about him disappearing, well FWR said "As long as you DO NOT disappear, neither can this distortion..."
    then Yuuko goes on saying "the time and the other people that this child will experience ...will bind him to life"
    Really I might be dumb, but i am confused and don't get this bit...

    So therefore, even if Watanuki disappears the distortion will still be there, because FWR said something like "neither" so, I am guessing maybe.
    I think that even if Watanuki really disappears the distortion will still be there, because its already been created, unless they go back time again.

    Is anyone following?

    Yuuko is such a mother figure, protecting baby Watanuki!!! Yuuko I love you!
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    Post by Subaru-kun Fri 24 Oct 2008, 14:37

    Watanuki looks so cool in Clow's coat!!! (Am I the only one who thinks this?)

    Okay, this chapter has confused me a little, but also cleared many things up. So Watanuki looks like Clow, huh? Sweet.

    "The two this child will meet will bind him to life" so that must mean that Himiwari and Doumeki (well it's kind of obvious) bind Watanuki to that world. And he cares about them therefore he won't disappear!! And I'm sure that Yuuko has said something about Watanuki and the words "bound/bind to life"
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    Post by Ayashi_Hime Fri 24 Oct 2008, 22:04

    About my thoughts on this chapter:

    The artwork is exceptionally beautiful as usual^^.The cover with Watanuki wearing Clow cloak seems to indicate something important ( from what I can see here, watanuki does indeed, resemble very much like the young version of Clow Reed). So, just what is the mystery or connection between Watanuki and Clow Reed? Could it be possible that he is another reincarnation of Clow Reed? There are so many questions still to be answered about how Clow Reed’s placing into Clow country and the affected of time modification occur in that timeline. Hopefully, in the next chapter, there will be an explanation to all of these.

    Fei Wang Reed’s wish of restoring a lost life has slowly beginning to reveal. Now we know that, thanks to the “distortion” produced by the time warp, he is able to use the hidden power in order to grant wish of reviving a lost life. It also seems that Syaoran was being manipulated by FWR into wanting the same wish>>> that’s what he made Syaoran do by giving up his price of his own time and freedom but revolving back time will likely cause him a great consequence. And as you can see here, Syaoran after all didn’t turn himself willingly on to FWR. It appeared more like he’s being forcibly taken and I totally agree with CuteSherry, you could see he is desperately trying to resist. Even though he knew he has to pay his price, he did not expected himself to be taken away did he?^^

    Lastly, what did Yuuko mean when she stated “ although, Watanuki and Syaoran bear the same existence, this child is not Syaoran”. Does this mean Watanuki isn’t Syaoran after all?
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    Post by chibi-chan Fri 24 Oct 2008, 23:07

    mistyco26 wrote:
    So this is how he managed to clone Syaoran and Sakura? How did he obtain that hidden "distortion" power? huh .
    Umm.. time warp?
    By the way, FWR said Watanuki resembles a younger version of Clow Reed. So, does this mean, Watanuki really is Clow Reed? Watanuki does look a lot like him and Eriol so it makes sense if he's actuallly one of another Clow R's reincanaition. This also gives me an impression that FWR might have known Clow when he was a child, so this could possibly mean that the person FWR is trying to revive is actually Clow Reed after all.
    I highly doubt Watanuki is just another reincarnation of Clow Reed! He does look a lot like Clow Reed thus in his younger version But you know what is more obvious? FWR seems to know what Clow look looked like when he was younger so I'm assume that maybe FWR is Clow Reed's younger or older brother.

    Ayashi_Hime wrote:There are so many questions still to be answered about how Clow Reed’s placing into Clow country and the affected of time modification occur in that timeline. Hopefully, in the next chapter, there will be an explanation to all of these.
    That's the most part we all curious to know. How Clow Reed got into Clow Country in reality is a big mystery. Wasn't he supposed to be dead? From my perspective, I think Clow got placed into there, maybe he wanted to pursue FWR in orde to stop his plans, since he did mention it once something about " for the sake of the two future" which is an exactly the same statement as Yuuko had mentioned.
    Fei Wang Reed’s wish of restoring a lost life has slowly beginning to reveal. Now we know that, thanks to the “distortion” produced by the time warp, he is able to use the hidden power in order to grant wish of reviving a lost life. It also seems that Syaoran was being manipulated by FWR into wanting the same wish>>> that’s what he made Syaoran do by giving up his price of his own time and freedom but revolving back time will likely cause him a great consequence. And as you can see here, Syaoran after all didn’t turn himself willingly on to FWR. It appeared more like he’s being forcibly taken and I totally agree with CuteSherry, you could see he is desperately trying to resist. Even though he knew he has to pay his price, he did not expected himself to be taken away did he?^^

    Thank you so much for clarifying the plot, Ayashi!hug Yep, it's true. Syaoran didn't offer himself willingly on to FWR. The spoiler kinda messed up a bit, i think.
    Lastly, what did Yuuko mean when she stated “ although, Watanuki and Syaoran bear the same existence, this child is not Syaoran”. Does this mean Watanuki isn’t Syaoran after all?
    It could be possible! Maybe Watanuki is Yuuko's child. She does have a protective side over him and you can markedly tell she did care about Watanuki like a mother figure. smile
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    Post by Subaru-kun Sat 25 Oct 2008, 06:00

    Lastly, what did Yuuko mean when she stated “ although, Watanuki and Syaoran bear the same existence, this child is not Syaoran”. Does this mean Watanuki isn’t Syaoran after all?

    that is also having one other meaning: Yuuko wasn't actually lying when she said that Watanuki is human. He may not have meant to be..... but he is human.
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    Post by lodestar21 Sat 25 Oct 2008, 09:30

    Way to drive the nail WAY home FWR. I wasn't too sure before but Shaoran Jr. really was being selfish with his wishes huh? I think at first, that it didn't matter to him what had to be done as long as he, Shaoran Jr., was the one who had to pay. But in the end it turns out that his parents had to pay and he also brought forth a new existence, Watanuki, bound for a life of misery. I still think he paid enough though. Knowing that his parents died and that Watanuki's life was hell because of him, adding to the fact that he had to live 7 years through C!Syaoran's eye... I don't even want to imagine what that feels like.

    As for the distortion. It's true that even if Watanuki disappears the distortion will still be there. But if that distortion disappears then Watanuki WILL disappear. And Shaoran Jr.'s goal is to go back and fix this distortion. All anyone can hope now is that Watanuki holds out.

    Also after giving it some thought. I well and truly think CCS!Sakura and Syaoran might be dead. Spoilers Highlight to see CLAMP killed off Seishirou from Tokyo Babylon in X and Icchan from Angelic Layer in Chobits.~~
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    Post by Misty Sat 25 Oct 2008, 15:07

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    So this is how he managed to clone Syaoran and Sakura? How did he obtain that hidden "distortion" power? huh .
    Umm.. time warp?

    Ah, yes, that's right! I completely forgot about. I should have read the chapter probably sweat thanks for clarifying it out. smile

    I highly doubt Watanuki is just another reincarnation of Clow Reed! He does look a lot like Clow Reed thus in his younger version But you know what is more obvious? FWR seems to know what Clow look looked like when he was younger so I'm assume that maybe FWR is Clow Reed's younger or older brother.
    I agree. Now my mind start to buzzing with the new concept of Watanuki=Clow Reed. Clamp has given us so many hints about Watanuki and Syaoran connection, so why not include Watanuki and Clow Reed? And also, we know that FWR is related to Clow but we don't know what kind of relation they have. Perhaps it could be like you said, maybe FWR is Clow Reed's younger/older brother. So if you think about it, they do have the same surname name "Reed" and I presume FWR is part of Clow's chinese family side [ since Clow Reed's bloodline is both mixture of Western and Asian]and "Fei Wang" is referred to chinese name. So yes, I'm fairly certain that he is Clow Reed's brother.
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    Post by Kimihiro Li Sat 25 Oct 2008, 15:48

    I think Watanuki is only wearing it because he looks like a younger version of clow reed (thanks to syaoran and sakura's wish)

    I believe that eriol hiirigazawa is the "clow reed" who is the father of touya and sakura in the altered timeline in clow country and that kaho is the deceased queen who dies shortly before the beggining of TRC (I really hate those who hate canon (kaho and eriol are together, deal with it))

    (as it's been suggested that the "real" clow reed is the clow reed that appears in the altered timeline (a theory that has more grounds since the discovery that watanuki is "syaorans" replacement for the wish to turn back time)

    consider the massive amount of Domeki/Watanuki fans... well since watanuki is syaorans replacement... I wonder why there are no domeki/syaoran fics... considering domeki and syaoran are from the same world (that of ccs and xxxholic)

    also since sakura gave up her staff to yuuko so that her son, "syaoran", could go to clow country... what becomes of yue and kero and the sakura cards??

    and after the shop's purpose is used... what happens to maro and moro... don't they die if they leave the shop??

    also since sakura gave up her favor of the gods... could yuuko then give that to himawari, or watanuki, to counteract himawaris bad luck?
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    Post by Misty Sat 25 Oct 2008, 16:38

    *Firs of, Welcome to the forums, Kimihiro LI, glad to have you joining us grin*
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    I believe that eriol hiirigazawa is the "clow reed" who is the father of touya and sakura in the altered timeline in clow country and that kaho is the deceased queen who dies shortly before the beggining of TRC (I really hate those who hate canon (kaho and eriol are together, deal with it))
    Good point! but I'm not so sure about eriol being "clow reed" since he never showed up in neither Holic or TRC manga but hey, it could be a twist! smile
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    Post by Kimihiro Li Sat 25 Oct 2008, 16:57

    well I figured that clow reed being mentioned three times and that watanuki looks like a young clow reed (as does eriol) that when eriol grows up he would look exactly like watanuki (at that 17) and exactly like clow (as an adult) so I figured that since clow reed is dead anyway that eriol (because he would have the memory of clows "fei wong reed" plans would then go to the altered clow country (as fei wong did say that clow knew what would happen) as clow reed to take the place of the "father" but that he ultimatly died before he had any time to do anything

    ... also because clow seems to be related to like everyone so It would make sense for him to be related to "sakura" as well (considering he's related to sakura, syaoran, "syaoran", Watanuki and fei wong... wow clow get's around don't he?)
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    Post by Subaru-kun Sat 25 Oct 2008, 18:10

    well I figured that clow reed being mentioned three times and that watanuki looks like a young clow reed (as does eriol) that when eriol grows up he would look exactly like watanuki (at that 17) and exactly like clow (as an adult) so I figured that since clow reed is dead anyway that eriol (because he would have the memory of clows "fei wong reed" plans would then go to the altered clow country (as fei wong did say that clow knew what would happen) as clow reed to take the place of the "father" but that he ultimatly died before he had any time to do anything
    That actually makes a whole lot of sense!!

    because clow seems to be related to like everyone so It would make sense for him to be related to "sakura" as well (considering he's related to sakura, syaoran, "syaoran", Watanuki and fei wong... wow clow get's around don't he?)
    I think that maybe he and Yuuko had a very tight relationship and maybe they had a few children.... not to mention the fact that Clow is related to Western and Asian relatives.
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    Post by Hokuto-chan Sat 25 Oct 2008, 22:32

    I'm gettign this but I'm still confused. I think we need to learn more about Clow in order to solve this I think...or maybe more things about Yuko...

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