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    Post by Miko-Angel Sun 26 Oct 2008, 00:42

    Special thanks to Su_chan for the translation.

    Chapitre.203 側にいる者
    The person next to (?)

    その後小狼は囚われの身となった。
    After that Syaoran was imprisoned, blah blah

    時を巻き戻したのと同じ時を迎えるまで。
    Time was rewinded until the desired moment

    そう明かした真小狼に対し、黒鋼たちの返事は、
    手荒いながらも共に居ることを受け入れるというものであった。
    In regard Syao's revelation Kuro and Fay reply is a rough acceptation of what was said (basically they are angry, but not sure if for Syao taking SO long explaining it or because they didn't understand a shit of the messy flashback XDDD)

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    Ok, so we have Syaoran got imprisoned and all that crap. Thank goodness, the endless flashblash IS FINALLY OVER!
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    Post by Hokuto-chan Sun 26 Oct 2008, 00:45

    Thank you, Miko-chan!

    Yes! The flashbacks are over! And I would be angry too, I mean Syaoran could've shorten some things because it was so long and confusing!
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    Post by CuteSherry Sun 26 Oct 2008, 01:47

    starlady38 translation :


    Chapitre 203: The One By Your Side

    After that Shaoran became a prisoner, until he met the same moment as when he turned back time.
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    Post by Shaolan Sun 26 Oct 2008, 01:55

    Why are they angry? Maybe becuase they think, that they wouldn't have had such a hard life, if Syaoran hadn't wished to travel back in time. Maybe they think, he is responsible for their beloved one's deaths.

    What do you think?
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    Post by Hokuto-chan Sun 26 Oct 2008, 01:59

    Shaolan wrote:Why are they angry? Maybe becuase they think, that they wouldn't have had such a hard life, if Syaoran hadn't wished to travel back in time. Maybe they think, he is responsible for their beloved one's deaths.

    What do you think?


    That sounds logical, maybe it is the case. What would happen if Syaoran didn't change anything?
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    Post by Shaolan Sun 26 Oct 2008, 02:29

    Hokuto-chan wrote:
    Shaolan wrote:Why are they angry? Maybe becuase they think, that they wouldn't have had such a hard life, if Syaoran hadn't wished to travel back in time. Maybe they think, he is responsible for their beloved one's deaths.

    What do you think?


    That sounds logical, maybe it is the case. What would happen if Syaoran didn't change anything?

    Would be quite interesting to discuss this. I think FWR's plan bases on the fact, that Syaoran turns the time back. Without this wish, FWR would not be able to collect the memories of dimension's, he wants to collect with C!Sakura's body. His whole plan would not have been possible.
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    Post by cherrybloms Sun 26 Oct 2008, 02:34

    Thanks very much,Miko-angel.
    At Lat No flashback happy It is really confusing past and long.Why Kurogane and Fai look shocked or anger?If they really his fault to what happen to them.
    Is Syaoran the last one that FWR came to him and destory his past or The first one before them.If He is the last one,It is not his fault at all.
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    Post by Hokuto-chan Sun 26 Oct 2008, 03:16

    I think Syaoran was the last one, Fai (the real one) was killed when he and Yuui were still children but time was stopped there. They were in the pit and tower for who knows how long but they were technically the same age, but if they were aging they would be like fifty or one hundred or something. Magicians age slowly like vampires, and the time of Celes is much slower considering that there were feathers there.

    For Kurogane he's around his twenties or early thirties and his parents died when he was like...ten or something...So I would say that Fai was first, Kurogane was second, and Syaoran was last. But if Fai and Kuro didn't suffer because of him, maybe it was the CCS couple that did.
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    Post by cherrybloms Sun 26 Oct 2008, 03:17

    Here ashura-sama translation:
    Chapitre 202
    Those beside me

    After that, Shaoran became a prisoner, until the same time he rewound arrived. Facing Shaoran, who revealed that, the answer of Kurogane and the others is, though harsh, acceptance of staying with him.

    That means they are not mad from him or anything,they kind shocked about it,i think but this campter is going to be so good.
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    Post by Hokuto-chan Sun 26 Oct 2008, 03:25

    Well they have been getting shocked expressions latly so it's not a surprise. I can't wait for the chapter too! I wonder who's going to be on the splash page!
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    Post by Shaolan Sun 26 Oct 2008, 03:30

    Hokuto-chan wrote:I think Syaoran was the last one, Fai (the real one) was killed when he and Yuui were still children but time was stopped there. They were in the pit and tower for who knows how long but they were technically the same age, but if they were aging they would be like fifty or one hundred or something. Magicians age slowly like vampires, and the time of Celes is much slower considering that there were feathers there.

    For Kurogane he's around his twenties or early thirties and his parents died when he was like...ten or something...So I would say that Fai was first, Kurogane was second, and Syaoran was last. But if Fai and Kuro didn't suffer because of him, maybe it was the CCS couple that did.

    Oh, I think it has to be the other way round. As you say, there are feathers in celes. But without Syaoran's wish, those feathers would not have been scattered around the world. In addition to that fai had been told that he will travel with companions. But how could FWR know this, if he didn't have C! Syaoran? So I think, Syaoran was the first. Maybe I have a mistake in my thinking, just tell me, if you find one.

    @Cherrybloms: I think, we actually have to wait for the scans to answer that correctly. I mean, they could realize, what happened because of his wish but accept, that they are together. I mean, they have to know, that he could not been aware of the consequences his wish effected.
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    Post by Hokuto-chan Sun 26 Oct 2008, 03:48

    Shaolan wrote:
    Hokuto-chan wrote:I think Syaoran was the last one, Fai (the real one) was killed when he and Yuui were still children but time was stopped there. They were in the pit and tower for who knows how long but they were technically the same age, but if they were aging they would be like fifty or one hundred or something. Magicians age slowly like vampires, and the time of Celes is much slower considering that there were feathers there.

    For Kurogane he's around his twenties or early thirties and his parents died when he was like...ten or something...So I would say that Fai was first, Kurogane was second, and Syaoran was last. But if Fai and Kuro didn't suffer because of him, maybe it was the CCS couple that did.

    Oh, I think it has to be the other way round. As you say, there are feathers in celes. But without Syaoran's wish, those feathers would not have been scattered around the world. In addition to that fai had been told that he will travel with companions. But how could FWR know this, if he didn't have C! Syaoran? So I think, Syaoran was the first. Maybe I have a mistake in my thinking, just tell me, if you find one.

    @Cherrybloms: I think, we actually have to wait for the scans to answer that correctly. I mean, they could realize, what happened because of his wish but accept, that they are together. I mean, they have to know, that he could not been aware of the consequences his wish effected.

    Well Yuko said that FWR is a dreamseer, which means he probaly had dreams about Sakura's powers, the ruins, and other things that had to do with his wish.
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    Post by Kimihiro Li Sun 26 Oct 2008, 04:00

    maybe fei wong is watanuki all grow'd up... I mean does it really make sense that clow reed could see all of what fei wong reed is going to do, all the people that would suffer because of him... and then still sleep with the woman who would give birth to the line that leads to fei wong?
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    Post by Misty Sun 26 Oct 2008, 14:49

    Kimihiro Li wrote:maybe fei wong is watanuki all grow'd up... I mean does it really make sense that clow reed could see all of what fei wong reed is going to do, all the people that would suffer because of him... and then still sleep with the woman who would give birth to the line that leads to fei wong?

    Umm... Kimihiro, Watanuki is simply just another Syaoran's substituted clone. By saying FWR is an adult version of Watanuki is wrong. Their look and personality are nothing a like and as far as I know, Clow Reed has more standard power and magic than FWR and also, he is in fact, a dreamseer too so it makes sense that he could see everything. As for the woman you said "given birth to the line that leads to fei wong" I don't know where you got that unrealistic idea coming from or who's the woman you're referring to but Clow Reed has never been married in his whole life!!


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    Post by Kimihiro Li Sun 26 Oct 2008, 15:22

    what I mean is that fei wong is a descendant of clow isn't he? so if clow could predict the future, why allow the family line that leads to the birth of fei wong to happen in the first place?

    and who's to say there isn't a time paradox where fei wong leads to the creation of a person who grows up to be fei wong?
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    Post by lodestar21 Sun 26 Oct 2008, 17:44

    Clow has other ways of ensuring his line, aside from the fact he gets around. :heh:

    Kimihiro Li wrote:what I mean is that fei wong is a descendant of clow isn't he? so if clow could predict the future, why allow the family line that leads to the birth of fei wong to happen in the first place?

    and who's to say there isn't a time paradox where fei wong leads to the creation of a person who grows up to be fei wong?
    Assuming this is true, it could be that Clow wanted Fei Wong to relent. He isn't that big of a bastard to just kill off somebody even if they weren't even born yet.

    Because saying that Watanuki grows up to be Fei Wong would be the biggest brain-melting revelation of all. We didn't suffer a hundred plus chapters of wanting Watanuki to survive just to violently send him to hell.

    If anything why can't we say Watanuki is actually Clow Reed. FWR did say that Watanuki looks like Clow Reed when he was young and that Clow anticipated Watanuki's existence. Watanuki was also wearing Clow's cloak in the 202 splash page.
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    Post by Kimihiro Li Sun 26 Oct 2008, 19:13

    "gets around"?? clows been around the block more times than a jehova's witness!

    I wonder who eriol would consider his cuter little descendant? Syaoran II or Watanuki

    anyway my guess still is that eriol is the "clow reed" who died before the beginning of tsubasa (his second failed plan after the magic seperation reincarnation thing)

    I really don't want -holic to end, when it does maru and moro'll die won't they? what with the shop that they can't leave no longer existing and whatnot
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    Post by Subaru-kun Sun 26 Oct 2008, 19:21

    Thank you very much for the spoilers!!

    Okay, let us see. Kurogane and Fai are shocked= I wonder what Mokona's reaction was?
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    Post by chibi-chan Sun 26 Oct 2008, 22:42

    Thank you so much for the spoilers!

    Oh what a joy feeling!! No more continuing flashbacks! cheers I hope to see some actions in the next chapter Clamp! Hopefully! Kuro X Fai will be able to give Butt Chin a kick butt lesson. Poor Syaoran! It's so depressing to hear him got imprisoned by that greedy monster.
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    Post by sakura_sv Mon 27 Oct 2008, 04:53

    Thanks for the spoilers! As charryblossoms said I think Kuro and Fye are shocked by Syaorans really history... all of them are in FWR game, so FWR is the responsible of the deaths in their lifes... mad

    I'm happy too the flashbacks have ended :luv:
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    Post by cherrybloms Mon 27 Oct 2008, 05:05

    sakura_sv wrote:Thanks for the spoilers! As charryblossoms said I think Kuro and Fye are shocked by Syaorans really history... all of them are in FWR game, so FWR is the responsible of the deaths in their lifes... mad

    I'm happy too the flashbacks have ended :luv:

    Yeah,I am afarid Fei is going to do something really awful to them,It is not easy to go Sakura without a battles and a lot of things
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    Post by TomiSyao Mon 27 Oct 2008, 05:09

    Hurray~! Flashbacks are over. I didn't understand why Kurogane and Fai are angry, I guess I'll understand the whole thing better when the translations will come out.
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    Post by lodestar21 Mon 27 Oct 2008, 17:55

    They might be pissed at Shaoran Jr. for his selfishness or the fact that he got used.

    I'm betting on them being pissed at him since ashura_sama's translations indicated this.
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    Post by YamiSakura Thu 30 Oct 2008, 05:11

    Well, I am sure the raw chapter may be out in the next day or so... but there's more detailed spoiler I found... and I want translation sad
    サブタイトルは「侧にいる者」。
    扉絵はちょっと久しぶり? の写身君。绯炎を持ってまたも血みどろ、飞王マークの新衣装。…何気に写身君、暴走してるのにお着替え多い…(扉絵だから!)。

    ——そのまま、东京で会うまでずっと…モコナに问われ、时间を巻き戻す年齢になるまであいつの元にいた、と答える小狼。
    叹くモコナとふたりに、だとしても自分の罪が消える訳じゃない。自分の愿いが生んだ歪みで、様々なものが道筋を変えた。巻き戻す前の时间の中では、ファイも双子として生まれていなかったのかもしれない。黒钢の両亲も、あんな风に亡くなる事はなかったのかもしれない。飞王はそれを「おまえがした事と同じだろう」と言った。自分の愿いを叶える为に、自分は禁忌を犯した。
    「だから、选んでくれ。これからの事を」悔恨と自戒、ふたりに対する赎罪の念をも込めて、小狼はそう告げる。

    黒钢が外套を翻し、必死に制止するモコナの声に构わず大股で小狼に近づく。…と、ゴツ! と大きな音がして、小狼の头上に拳が留まった。そのまま无言で背を向ける黒钢に惊き呆然とした小狼に、ファイが近づくとぺしん、と両手が頬を优しく打った。「选んだよ」ファイは笑颜で頬を挟むと、もう一度「だから、これ」と缲り返す。
    小狼の态度に黒钢が拗ねてると揶揄しながら、ファイは小狼に告げる。禁を犯したとしても、その为に起こった全ての事が君のせいではないし、自分だけで背负おうとするのは或る意味傲慢だ、と。「これは自戒をこめて、ね」淋しそうに微笑んだ。
    「もし同じ事が起こって选べと言われたら、俺も选ぶだろう、守ると决めたものを守れるのならな」それだけ言った黒钢に、「…オレも、ね」とファイが同意する。「辛い事を话してくれて有り难う。でもちょっと悪い子だったから、お父さんからはゲンコツで、オレからはコレ、ね」ともう一度頬に手を添えた。モコナは頬にキスすると、「小狼大好きだよ」と笑颜を向ける。
    「…ありが…とう」モコナを抱きしめながら、小狼は头を垂れた。

    自分の侧には、こうやっておれが居る事を受け止めてくれる人达がいる。おまえの侧にもきっと居るんだろう。小狼はもうひとりの自分に思いを驰せた。
    だから消えるな。おれも愿いを叶える为に自分が出来る事をやる。あの时巻き戻し、止めた时间を进める为に——


    I believe this chapter also talked more on the consequences of the time reverse... and that "Syaoran" is REALLY, REALLY guilty... not just for the part about "he will be cloned, existance of Watanuki or possibly CCS|SxS will be in danger" BUT by his reverse of time... I think he talked about the effect of the born of twins [Fai and Yuui] are part of that distortion o__O and also the result of Kurogane's parents death [well, to proceed/set up the journey]
    And gah~~ I wish to know what they are talking about ;___; and what the heck is Kurogane doing??? It almost felt like he was going to attack Syaoran or something x___x [but of course being stopped]

    Though I did catch what Mokona in the end after hearing the whole story, smiled and said, "I still love Syaoran" angel

    I want the chapter now... and with translation would be a PLUS
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    Post by Hokuto-chan Thu 30 Oct 2008, 05:56

    YamiSakura wrote:Well, I am sure the raw chapter may be out in the next day or so... but there's more detailed spoiler I found... and I want translation sad

    I believe this chapter also talked more on the consequences of the time reverse... and that "Syaoran" is REALLY, REALLY guilty... not just for the part about "he will be cloned, existance of Watanuki or possibly CCS|SxS will be in danger" BUT by his reverse of time... I think he talked about the effect of the born of twins [Fai and Yuui] are part of that distortion o__O and also the result of Kurogane's parents death [well, to proceed/set up the journey]
    And gah~~ I wish to know what they are talking about ;___; and what the heck is Kurogane doing??? It almost felt like he was going to attack Syaoran or something x___x [but of course being stopped]

    Though I did catch what Mokona in the end after hearing the whole story, smiled and said, "I still love Syaoran" angel

    I want the chapter now... and with translation would be a PLUS

    Okay so what your'e saying, or what the spoilers saying...R!Syaoran was really the cause of all of this? So would that be the reason why Fai and Kuro-puu are ticked off? That's proably the only twist that I'm not angry about actually, I know I'm wierd but that does make some sense.

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