[Only Topic] What do you think of TRC at this point?

Personally, I can say I was following TRC even before it started, in the sens that I tracked it down many years ago when it was still yet only a 'rumor' online: there were infos of the type "Clamp are making a sequel to CCS" and similar...and after a few couple of months some rough drawings of teenagers SxS appeared that looked more like fanarts then Clamp's illustration ^^; but it was really Clamp's sketches of Sakura and Syaoran aha~
Slowly, more infos started to pop out and finally the first chapter was released...and we discovered it was actually a parallel world in which only their appearances were similar but it had nothing to do with CCS (or so Clamp said at the start *rolling eyes*).

It's been 6 years now and TRC is slowly coming to an end.

Clamp, lately, seems to have lost track of...everything ^^;;
At this point, there are so many plot holes I really don't see the end of it, and what they did with their most popular characters of all times (CCS|SxS) is beyond my understanding: mangakas would tend to give special care to their most beloved characters, but in Clamp's case they just can't let them have a happy life, it must go wrong someway or another...no surprise from the 4 women who showed clearly a sort of dislike to romance, stating officially that they did not understand how authors spread a whole series over this theme....
Now, it might sounds like I am a Clamp hater or something but I really bought all their mangas and ruined myself in goodies and all type of merchandises ^^;;
But it doesn't mean that I stupidly follow them, completely blindly either...

I see no 'repair' at this point, for me at least -->
-CCS|SxS has had a very hard life: when she was still pregnant, Sakura started to have dreams about the future that was awaiting her unborn child, and after 'Syaoran' was born, both her and Syaoran pretty much spent all their time desperately trying to teach their son everything they could so that he could survive when he would eventually be all alone, on his own. I can only imagine the agony of their wait, feeling the day their kid would leave them *maybe forever?* drew nearer and nearer and knowing beforehand about the terrible choices he would make in life and its consequences.
Paying many prices and finally using their powers to rewind Time and forbidden to come in contact with each other, cruelly separated, waiting a long time unable to do anything for their beloved children or their other half.
-'Syaoran' has been doing his very best, that is for sure...but he ended up making terrible choices one after the other and none of them ended up well: all lead to more pain for him and also for the people dear to him.
He fought to his limits and beyond but couldn't protect anyone: Queen Nadeshiko was the first to go, Clone|Sakura went after her later, followed afterward by all the town people from the frozen Clow Country, then it was Clone|Syaoran's turn to leave...even the 'real' Sakura would have been a goner already and in FWR's hands at this point if his parents and Yuuko didn't intervene in time.
Sadly to say, this 'hero' has been adding up failures one after another and looking eternally depressed all along.
-Yuui simply and purely lost everything: his twin Fye is gone, so is the one he loved as a father Ashura and even the whole World Celes he lived in. His staff and his tatoo are both gone, so is his creation Chii and most of his magic. But he is alive and decided to live on, I guess it's still ok.
*Kurogane lost both his parents in a terrible way, his sword (but got another one) and his arm (but got an artificial one). In the whole, he is mentally the strongest one I guess and also the less catastrophically unfortunate one (?)

On the whole, at this point of the manga, even if, say, FWR is defeated and everyone survive, it would still not be that 'happy' because of all the bitterness laying behind. All this pain they've been going through for so many years will scar both them all and myself. I just can't seem to even manage to smile anymore while reading TRC ;___;

This is what I personally feel about TRC at this point of the manga, what about you?

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^Elaboration:
I agree with pretty much everything you said but Choices other than Syaorans have gotten us to this point(fwrfwrfwrfwrfwrfwrfwrfwr)
And I feel bad for CCS SXS but I'm going to wait till I find out the reason they did all this and the results before I recommend therapy.
I'm hoping that CLAMP will do something to redeem the situation. I want them to turn this into "sure he screwed up alot along the way but because of everything he did some thing awesome happens that could not have (sadly) been accomplished in any other fashion". This may or may not happen but I prefer to be optimistic about the situation.
Mostly I just want Syaoran to actually do something. This is supposedly "his story" but so far it sucks. Honestly it just been one screw up or failure after another with him and Syaoran is too awesome a character to just end up as nothing in the end. I want Clamp to amaze us with this ending and give Syaoran a fair shake. Lets see a little shock and awe.

Well, Tsubasa used to be a cleanand happy manga before Tokyo, then suddenly both main carachters were clones and the history plot twisted! I know it's good to see why and how all this TRC messy begun, but it really is disappointing some people.


I mean, what is the most terrible thing could happen to our CCS couple? To be separeted! and they did!!


I think that at this very point in TRC I'm not disappointed but I really need explanations. It's like the tv show LOST, too much mistery fot too many explanation... it sucks! CLAMP must show us soon some explanation and an amazing end, otherelse everbody will be desappointed.

I'm not sad about the way things gone, since it's all FWR fault (Fay, Kurogane, Syaoran, Watanuki, CCS couple... case) but we do need to see all the things fixed. We know the dead ones will not return, that is why Yuuko made the shop and CCS couple got in the tube right? To stop FWR plans.

I'm sad cause Holic is a great manga, but totally influenced by TRC!! So we get stuck in Holic by all this mess in TRC!


All in all... not disappointed, just in stand by mode, waiting for some real results in TRC.

I'm actually agreeing with you 100%, Sherry-chan, CLAMP is pratically going nowhere and it bugs me how each chapter is like having another plot twist, it's like one twist after another and things are becoming less sense.

I thought the CCS cuple had the happist ending, but it doesn't seem likely anymore since they;re both stuck in a tube, and you're explanation about that was really heartbreaking, Sherry-chan, how could CLAMP be so cruel? ;__;

I still love CLAMP of course, but some of the things they do like throw in some crazy plot twist out of thin air is ridiculous. I'm really just going to go with the flow and not think about how all these twist fit in with the plot 'cause things are making less sense at each chapter.

What, the series is going to have 28 volumes? How things are going, they probaly need a bit more. And it bugs me how (sorry about repeating ths over and over) we barely know anything about the vamp twins and Sei-chan, I just find them improtant but not too important like Sakura and Syaoran. It just seems that the X alternates have big roles in this, they can't just appear just a few times and disappear without anything revealed, right? Well, CLAMP might just forget abiout it or something. . .

Personally, I just want TRC to end already, coz it's just dragging on with nothing really cleared up. TRC's awesome, but I just want something to be revealed that won't destroy anymore of my brain cells!

Hokuto-chan wrote: And it bugs me how (sorry about repeating ths over and over) we barely know anything about the vamp twins and Sei-chan, I just find them improtant but not too important like Sakura and Syaoran. It just seems that the X alternates have big roles in this, they can't just appear just a few times and disappear without anything revealed, right? Well, CLAMP might just forget abiout it or something. . .

Aaaahhhh~~ it bugs me too! For the way thing are going they have 3 possibilities:

1 - Suddenly pop up with no clear reason. Like CCS couple did.

2 - Never more hear about them.

3 - After all this FWR mess is over, they'll show their faces since we know Seishirou knows CCSyaoran. I guess when everything be calm and Syaoran will have grown up again, they will make an appearance.


I really hope I got it right in my 3rd possibility. That way the manga would finish with a happy ending for everyone and specially Subaru-Seishirou Kamui- Fuuma. Though knowing Seishirou like he is, the happy ending would be creepy anyway...

@Seishirou
I wouldn't say I am disappointed by TRC, if this is the impression my post gave.
TRC's art has been getting better and better with the years and many of the twists in the story, even though often painfully surprising, were usually quite exciting and mind blowing. Many raised my interest and pushed me to think quite a lot ^^ *and destroy most of my brain cells :P*

But the thing is, Clamp pushed the 'drama' too far: we can go over one death, lost powers or arm or eye or whatever, those are all 'punctual' loses that shocks us in one moment in time but then it's over with.
I know I sound horrible, but compared to what Clamp did to CCS|SxS, their son, and Yuui, it's pretty much like that: they made them suffer continuously for years, years and YEARS. It's like: better then killing someone with one shot, the killer would rather 'play' with his victim...

Now, don't be mistaken: TRC definitely has a positive message --> the key is pretty much the 'bonds', the fundamental principle is that if someone looses a bond then he/she must be strong and be always ready to made new bonds and create new relationships, always moving forward, encounter Love again or friendship.
I also have no doubt that TRC's ending will be good ^^ *or else we riot Clamp's studio :P*
I'm just saddened by the fate CCS|SxS had the bad luck to encounter in this mess.
Years of constant suffering can't be erased easily: if you count that CCS|SxS has pretty much known about most of the events of TRC since their son's birth, it means it's been around 21 years now that they've been in this mess @__@
The fact the shonen hero 'Syaoran' is piling up failures and in gloomy mood 24/7 is not the best either ^^;;;;;

I'm not pessimistic of the ending and I also have the strong feeling there should be no more deaths of main characters, it would be pointless at this point of the manga to kill off someone else; but, to put it simply "what is done is done": all that happened can't be just erased in a min.
I guess it just gives me a really bitter sweet feeling? ^^;;
In the end, I guess I just wanted Clamp not to massacre CCS|SxS too much, but they did anyway :P *merciless Ohkawa*

Well, at first I thought, Tsubasa would be a happy series. That Sakura would not get her memoeires back but learn to love Syaoran again. But then when I saw the original one in the seal od FWR I was thinking, that this might not be the easy-going series. Well, I absolutely love the plot-twists. And, in my opinion, they all make sence. There is no thing that I do not find logic. It is great that you have to think about this themes quite a lot to get the whole thing. And, well I am kinda sad that our beloved CCS-couple had to suffer like this. But this belongs to the story. I would've been very disappointed if there has not been any connection between Tsubasa and CCS. At first I thought, Clamp would only use the charcters again, but now the connection is great (I wouldn't mind if they would make a Horitsubasa-series without a connection to tsubasa, though^^). And I really appreciate it that we do not have a storyline like some Hollywood movies (I do like Hollywood-movies^^) where you can tell from the beginning or from the middle of the film what is going to happen next. Otherwise it would be boring, wouldn't it? And even ths series was going to end bad, it won't be a bad series after all. I would like this series...but I'd be sad, of course since I have spent so many time with them (or their clones..whatever). It does not look as if there could be a happy ending for everyone...it still looks as if there are sacrifices to be made. Well, let's hope for the best.

Personally, I only started to like TRC when it was in its Tokyo arc; it was too happy before all that, and it was not like it had the CCS happiness/cuteness to it. However, after Tokyo we were presented with one plot twist after another; it is never-ending. Although I am fine with twists, they are not easy to understand. It always take me couple of readings before I truly understand them.

I am still interested and want to know how CLAMP will explain, without killing to many braincells, every aspect that they have included , such as the vampires and CCS!SxS. Though, I think by the end, we will have more questions than answers.

I enjoyed what was originally offered of Tsubasa; a story involving two of our most beloved characters in a different dimension. The old characters would be left to swim in their bliss, while the same people (but different) could establish a new, unique love story - pleasing to fans. We'd get to see essentially two identical people of the original story in a contrasting fashion. Sakura, although adorable and loving - had concluded on her own that she loved Syaoran. (In CCS, Syaoran confessed his affections first.) They were childhood friends as opposed to two people who met from two different countries. Syaoran, rather than being rude, hostile, and upfront - was polite, and very much considerate of his beloved. It was satisfying, at least for myself.

The open-ending of Tsubasa; Sakura embracing Syaoran was positively adorable. But CLAMP is technically playing the role of Yuuko if you take what CuteSherry has mentioned in regards to CLAMP and relationships into consideration. They gave us a happy couple, but perhaps there's a price to pay; the price being the constant suffering of two lovers.

I find these constant plot twist somewhat annoying. The fact that CLAMP states "Tsubasa is taking a break to collect data" makes me somewhat uneasy.

So, right now, I'm strongly interested because I want the conflict resolved. I wish to see how on Earth CLAMP can pull this story off. Is it even remotely possible that CCS||SYaoran/Sakura, and TRC Syaoran/Sakura have a happy ending? Or will the CCS couple be replaced with their idential counterparts?

Rayna wrote:
The open-ending of Tsubasa; Sakura embracing Syaoran was positively adorable. But CLAMP is technically playing the role of Yuuko if you take what CuteSherry has mentioned in regards to CLAMP and relationships into consideration. They gave us a happy couple, but perhaps there's a price to pay; the price being the constant suffering of two lovers. (...)

Well, I really and I mean REALLY don't think CCS|SxS will be replaced by anything or anyone, let's not dramatize too much ^^;;

What is really bothering with all the twisting around is that while yuuko and everyone has been saying that the Future could be changed and that nothing was decided yet and blablabla, truth is nothing changed at all: while it's true that FWR's plans didn't go perfectly like he expected, but they still ended up exactly where he wished to. And the fact in itself CCS|SxS has planned their arrival at this exact moment shows us all that both themselves and Yuuko knew that no matter how much their kids and their friends struggled and fought, everything would lead to this one moment anyway. All what seems choices made their owners to fight their destiny were really all 'plannified' in a way or another, and Yuuko pretty much always had the prices 'at hand' for the next turn of events.
So if there is a destiny or Future change, it really starts right now: I've been expecting CCS arrival for what it seems an eternity now, so at this point of the manga my expectations are really sky high about their actions and role in this whole story since the truly 'unknown' will only just begin in the next chapter, because what will occurs from now on, I believe that neither FWR, nor CCS nor even Yuuko know the answer...*but Clamp does :P*
It will either be the best we've ever seen in TRC or not that good...but definitely not a disappointment ^^

I have to agree with Shaolan on this, although a lot of strange and shocking twists have happened in Tsubasa, dragging in so many different people, that is what seperates Tsubasa from everything else to me. Yes, I'm sad for the things that have happened to our beloved CCS characters, but it's a running theme that powerful characters always seem to suffer (Clow, Yuuko, Ashura, Emeraude, Kamui, Subaru, etc), at least their crossover has involved them living and appearing, I would have been much more upset if we had discovered they had died 100 years ago or something.
I have complete faith in CLAMP that everything will work out in the end, especially the idea of the future changing - isn't this the main theme of X too? I don't mean to drag X in, but the atmosphere feels a little similar, reading X you discover all the bad things expected to happen, and most of them happen don't they?
I just think people are struggling with Tsubasa because we get a few pages every couple of weeks, which bothers me too, but it can't be helped if CLAMP are ill/busy.
Once Tsubasa is completed and released in Tankubon format, it will feel a lot easier to read, and everyone will appreciate it so much more. (As long as CLAMP don't mess up the ending, that is (Which I doubt).)

I'm sure enough people are sick of my ranting, but this is exactly why I do not like Tsubasa. Hate it in fact. CCS, as stated, will always be my series, and my thoughts when I first found out that there was a "sequel" made me really happy, but then I realized that it was a sequel, made me sick of it -_- S&S, no matter what anyone says, is canon, and for them to be broken apart is sickening, and the fact that everyone says that Tsubasa is better, and that you don't need to read CCS to understand it makes me angry. Now that all this happened, people do have to read CCS, and the series is still getting bashed cause it's cute! Not the later arc v_v It loses its cuteness.

Still, this makes me angry, and yet makes sense why I was so attracted to that tube in the first place...Honestly, this was the only reason I stuck with the series. I was attracted cause it was S&S all along -_- I refuse to ever consider this a sequel. People can bash me, and say I'm wrong, but my beloved CCS will remain pristine and pure. I will still stick it out with the series, and I'm sorry to those who want the other plotholes revealed, but I just want the series to be done with. Push it out of my life forever -_- and never return.

moezy-chan wrote:I'm sure enough people are sick of my ranting, but this is exactly why I do not like Tsubasa. Hate it in fact. CCS, as stated, will always be my series, and my thoughts when I first found out that there was a "sequel" made me really happy, but then I realized that it was a sequel, made me sick of it -_- S&S, no matter what anyone says, is canon, and for them to be broken apart is sickening, and the fact that everyone says that Tsubasa is better, and that you don't need to read CCS to understand it makes me angry. (...)

Well, referring to the "bashing" I think, it's ok, you just gave a statement, that shows that your opinion is a little bit different. We want to discuss things here and not follow an ideology of CLAMP being perfect with everything what they do. So comming to your thesis that reading Tsubasa destroyed the cuteness of CCS, I have to say that I agree with you a bit. I truly love CCS cause it is great story and because of its cuteness. I really felt sorry for Sakura and Syaoran that tehy wll have to suffer so much (well, they don't exist, but I couldn't help to feel sorry for them^^'). But on the other hand we still have a fantastic story that we can read unspoiled; we know that they had a truly happy childhood. To know that Sakura gave birth to a son and that they love him so much that they risk everything for his sake, I think this is a worthy sequel to the story of Syaoran and Sakura:

They cannot be children forever, they cannot be that cute as they were as children again. But they grew up and made decissions that they would not have been able to make back in CCS. But I would've liked to see this development. To see how they become adults, how they become parents. This was left out so we have a great caesura after CCS. On the other hand, Clamp gave us time for realising that our CCS-couple had to make sacrafices. At first it was said that they were daed but then we recieved the information that they were just "somewhere else". We also were informed that Syaoran would probably never ablte to return to his world again (and therefore to never see his parents again)...but they meet again. Sakura has her magic words: "Everything will be fine" - they make her invincible. I cannot imagine that CLAMP will drop this statement.

They really managed to create a big story out of different ones. So I agree with you in one additional point, but for a different reason: You have to have read CCS when reading Tsubasa. Otherwise you won't see the drama that really happended, you won't feel with these persons that much, you won't empathize with them as you will, if you read it. There won't be the contrast between these happy children and these suffering parents. I have read CCS again lately and I really enjoyed it although I knew what would happen to them.

What I think of TRC at this point? Hmm...

I'm not too sure really hahaha XD! I'd like to try and keep my opinion of it to a minimum until it's officially completed and see what happens, although I can see where you're all on a lot of things that you've all mentioned. Especially those who have been following it a lot longer than me, I can definitely understand where you're coming from on this (I can relate in some ways, because I followed Inuyasha for about 5-6 years while it was ongoing and was disappointed over and over again >.<)

But it DOES feel like it's going one step forward, two steps back in each chapter. Each new plot twist and lack of answers confuses me and breaks my brain 10x over, and I don't like guessing what'll come next xD In the end, I just want to believe that CLAMP knows what they're doing and the story will all work out (which I'm starting to get a bit impatient myself and hope that it will be soon XD).

If worst comes to worst, I'll just pretend that TRC never happened and let my imagination run wild after CCS ending =D la de da de daaaa~ *shotshot*

well, I personally thought that Clamp would going end all these whole dramas plot twist ages ago. I really freaking don't understand why Clamp would drag CCS couple, Kamui, Subaru, Seishirou, Fuma etc into this whole mess Seriously, what tips me off alot the fact that, we now know, the CCS couple were being miserably suffered in that tube for years and years.
Why, I always thought CCS couple were just around somewhere in the Clow ruin or something, not in that time glass tube thingy. I first thought, TRC story is just another story about their son, travelling through dimension, gathering Sakura's feathers and unvealling the mistery of the ruin and all shits. But somehow, when I found out CCS couple got involved with the whole plots and was being the one couple got stuck in that time glass tube, it got me all worried ;___; and it makes me anxiously to keep on tracking with the series, to know what happened to them I have always assumed that Clamp been trying to make TRC story similar to the X series and it's making me worry all the time about CCS couple's ending might be end in tragic (assuming CCS couple were meant to live happily ever after at the end of CCS series .__. ) Anyways, the endless plot twist at the momet is not going nowhere, and I'm really anxious to know about the Sakura's dream and all shits which has been boiling our brain since Tokyo arc. I agree with Hokuto, 28 volumes is not enough to give us more infors. I hope they don't screw up with the characters and the story or else, we'll all go WTF at the end

Misty wrote:I agree with Hokuto, 28 volumes is not enough to give us more infors.

Maybe 28 volumes will be more than suficient. We can assume now that CCS couple is finally here to fix the whole mess, FWR plan will ruin apart quickly and then TRC 28 could possible be like thw hole explanation in CCS, everbody set in a table drinking tea and explainning everything. Then suddenly the vampire twins and the hunter appear and have a happy ending!

But you know, if just 1 chapitre is spent in explanation, I guess you agree is explanation a looot, since they speak a lot in those explanation chapitres, then maybe 5 don't-stop-speaking chapitres would answer those questions.

So many negative responses to TRC now... ;-;

I think...it's really just living up to what I expected from what I'd heard about CLAMP, possibly more? This is my first CLAMP manga, you see. Besides my favorites Syaoran and Sakura, all of the other characters and storylines are so cool, they never cease to amaze me with complications and intricacy. I probably don't get the whole experience out of it because I don't read xxxHolic, lol, but I followed it because of Sakura and Syaoran during the very first chapters. It was absolutely adorable, and Syaoran's eventual determination and earnest attitude really won me over. I had never even read CCS, or watched it, before this series [though I have now, lol <3]. So I'm not getting why people say you have to read CCS before to really know the characters.

Anyways, I look at it like a love story, same as CCS, only...inverted, if you will lol.
Let's say CCS = Fluff
and TRC = Angst

That simplifies it soooo much but still, "love's love in it's darkest hour", right? This just serves to prove and follow Syaoran and Sakura's devotion to each other, the passion is just reflected in a different way, exploring the limits of desperation, what it means to be real/human, the ability of moving on, and of overcoming pain BECAUSE of love.

So CCS vs. TRC SxS might just be personal preference lol.

All in all, I'd take the depth and thoughtfulness of TRC's story over some generic shojo romance any day. I really still do love it. <3333

Seishirou wrote:We can assume now that CCS couple is finally here to fix the whole mess, FWR plan will ruin apart quickly and then TRC 28 could possible be like thw hole explanation in CCS, everbody set in a table drinking tea and explainning everything. Then suddenly the vampire twins and the hunter appear and have a happy ending!

ahaha. XD

I like that idea.

here's to hoping!!

I would say many of us are really saddened by the bleak future Clamp reserved to both CCS|SxS and their child in TRC *because* we know beforehand the characters from CCS and *I guess* we all had a pretty pinkish and rosy image of what would their lives be as adults ^^;;
Also, many started reading TRC because they were fans of CCS first. So yeah, if out of all the hundreds of characters that appears in TRC, the mangaka screw up the most *by coincidence ¬__¬ -yeah right...-* the hero/heroine, well, yeah, we can't really think stuff like "that's how life is, they went through Hell for 20 years...Hey! but it could have been 40 years or more! No need to be sad!". And oh! the 2 clones dying? It was 'in the order of things', they were things to be disposed off from the start *and it adds up to the drama and dark mood, what else are you asking for?*.

But seriously, if I was a person who had never heard of CCS|SxS I also understand fully that I wouldn't give a damn if they were separated or whatever, since they would really be the 'parents we *heard of* but never saw' of the main character ^^;;
So Clamp are taking risks and pretty much betting on most of their fans to have read CCS or else, you wouldn't truly feel the angst after knowing what they went through for 20 years and wouldn't really be expecting so fervently their appearance: it's impossible to get emotionaly attached to characters you see for the first time, you might sympatize or feel punctual feelings toward them, but not a true connection.

In the end, I wanted to see CCS and also all excitedly expected their apperance, and was very thrilled when I learned that TRC was indeed somehow a sequel ^^
Not that many fans have the luck to 'meet' their favorites anime/manga characters years later, and witness their future...We are extremely fortunate to be able to see CCS|SxS again!!
I'm not so naive that I didn't know the 'mood' of TRC and it's not like I was expecting CCS|SxS to be the only ones to be fine while everyone else is in a bloody mess...but again, I can't help but feel upset seeing they pretty much, together with their son, got the 'short end of the stick' and are pretty much sharing the first ranks in the "worst off characters listing".
This has turned into a battle of dramas, to see which one is most unfortunate and got the most hurt of all -__-
Sorry, but this is no plot development nor part of the story nor anything: ...killing people is far too easy; far too often, character deaths are handled as a cheap emotional stunt used as little more than a crutch to fall back upon to make people think "anything can happen!"
It's exactly what is happening now: I also think it's FAR harder to move the readers while keeping your characters alive, better then going on a killing spree and get everyone screaming and crying their eyes out for their fav. heroes and have us think, exactly like said "that at this point anything can happen" *which most of us are thinking right at this moment...*

Now, leaving CCS aside, yes, we all agree that as fans of TRC only, it's hard not to be satisfied with Clamp's excellent works on both this series and Holic ^^
But by linking this manga to their past series, it's Clamp themselves who enabled us to make a clear separation between the two, to both our pleasure and displeasure, depending of the cases...

At this point, I expect everything should turn fine and be alright: the prices everyone paid won't be for nothing and their efforts should prove not to be fruitless!! *or else we kill Clow Reed, in the end he is the end who started the whole thing...FWR just followed him up later*
That said, I wonder who will be the *very* unfortunate character who will get the 'unhappy ending'...from what I see, it doesn't feel like the 2 clones's end counted as 'unhappy' in Clamp's mind ^^;; No wonder from the women who stated that RGVeda got a happy ending when we all know that...everyone died apart from Ashura and Yasha who are together, ok, but have to live on with the sins of countless deaths burdening them forever...

Reflection wrote:So I'm not getting why people say you have to read CCS before to really know the characters.

I'm not saying that you HAVE to read CCS to get the characters. I'm saying you have to read CCS to get the plot v_v The fact that CLAMP stated that this wouldn't be a sequel, and then LIED about it makes for a huge headache on my part. If you don't know CCS, you won't get how Syaoran was born, and the role of CCSakura losing her wand. That's what I'm getting at. I would honestly like Tsubasa more if they didn't feel the need to make CCS a horribly written AU fanfic. The plotline itself is very good. I love angst, but the fact that it's a sequel doesn't sit right with me. That's the point I'm trying to make. As for why I don't like it, CCS was my first real anime. Not dub, but the first real Japanese anime I ever saw. It's what got me into the series, and while some may argue with me, I still believe that this is the best anime ever. At least as far as what I've seen. And I've seen many different anime series. If Tsubasa didn't star S&S in the first place, I'd probably love it! But the fact that they dragged such a wonderful and adorable series through the wringer truly upsets me -_- Get rid of the CCS-verse, and I would love it. Point stated.

moezy-chan wrote:

Reflection wrote:So I'm not getting why people say you have to read CCS before to really know the characters.

I'm not saying that you HAVE to read CCS to get the characters. I'm saying you have to read CCS to get the plot v_v The fact that CLAMP stated that this wouldn't be a sequel, and then LIED about it makes for a huge headache on my part. If you don't know CCS, you won't get how Syaoran was born, and the role of CCSakura losing her wand. (...)

Now I see where you're coming from. :]
...does anyone get the plot anyways?
I don't blame you, lol, as soon as I watched CCS, it was one of my favorites. To see that something CLAMP made actually had a fairly happy ending -- it was like OMG WUT?!
But, yeah, how unsettling. CCS!SxS is like the epitome of innocence, to be honest it's hard for me to imagine them as adults, let alone going through all this and having a son -- who also has to go through crap. xD

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Reflection wrote:So I'm not getting why people say you have to read CCS before to really know the characters.

I'm not saying that you HAVE to read CCS to get the characters. (...)

Now I see where you're coming from. :]
...does anyone get the plot anyways?
I don't blame you, lol, as soon as I watched CCS, it was one of my favorites. (...)

Thank you~ Nope, not one bit XD I'm still stuck back in Tokyo Revelations trying to figure out WTF is going on :D

It really is. And don't get me wrong. I loves me some wonderful S&S angst. I've written pretty angsty fanfics about them...back when my muse was alive and kicking. Hell, I've even made amvs that when you watch them, it looks like Sakura-chan never smiles XD but to tear apart such a wonderful series makes me angry. I regret ever buying the first two volumes of Tsubasa -_- Glad I didn't continue to buy it...still need to find a way to get rid of them x_x

The one thing that CLAMP did in their favor with this WTF manga series is that it's so off-the-wall that you can't help but continue reading, cause you honestly don't know what's going to happen next! x_x That might be why this series is so horribly unbelievable...I will stick with it, until the end, which I hope is soon >>;

And I always assumed with CCS, both anime and manga verse, that there would be times that they would have to fight an evil, cause those who have power are attracted to others with power. Syaoran said it himself on the beach in the manga, and at the shrine in the anime~ so I would assume that they would have their share of troubles, but nothing so horrendous as being stuck in a tube, and not allowed to fight back! That, BY FAR, makes for the worst possible scenario! @_@ I'd honestly rather die fighting than just sit on the sidelines never knowing what would happen next...and not being able to do a thing to stop it.

And worst part, going off the manga, Eriol promised Tomoyo-chan in the final volume that she could control her forseeing power at will. That in itself issued a huge sigh of relief from Tomoyo-chan that Sakura-chan wouldn't have to go through too much with her powers. CLAMP set it up that Sakura-chan would be able to live a happy, peaceful life with little to no problems, in regards to her powers, so why create such a happily ever after scenario, only to tear it apart? -_- It's like their one true goal is to ruin the best series they ever created.

Seriously, CCS is their best work. It has the hugest fanbase, and if it weren't for that fanbase, Tsubasa would be about the same level of popularity as their other series. When you hear CLAMP, you immediately think CCS, as far as seasoned CLAMP fans go. Most wouldn't think of Magic Knight Rayearth, or Clover, or RG Veda, ect...There are way too many to name them all x_x And once you think of CCS, you think of Tsubasa! That is fact, for at least 80% of the Tsubasa fandom! Please correct me if I'm wrong v_v I can take criticism. Still, despite all my rants, I'm contributing to the Tsubasa fandom just by commenting on here, and still reading the manga. I won't deny that. I merely want to push it out of my life forever. I do that with all anime series when they go downhill. My only misgiving is that this series is ongoing T_T And yet another long rant...sorry everyone ^^;; This new chapter just burned me to no end x_x

Oh my, moezy-chan, please don't apologize for your statements all the time. This is no ranting, ok?

Well, I think, you don't have to read CCS to read the plot...but it surely increases the angst that Tsubasa creates. And well, yes, we all thought, CCS-couple would lead a happy life. But it may be us, whi did a misinterpretation of Eriol's statement. He said, she'll be able to controll her forsight, and she did obviosly...that lead to the storyline of TRC, tough it is far different than we all imagined.

I have to say, I too think, that CCS is one of their best works, not THE best but one of the best. I guess, X/1999 has a bigger fan-community hasn't it? But that doesn't matter after all. So well, I first read CCS and then Tsubasa and I really empathize with our CCS-couple, but again: What they did for their son, is so much Syaoran and Sakura, isn't it? They may have an hard fate, but I think they still have their personallities. I think, you should see the positive thngs, not the negatives. The feelings, they have feeled in the tube are surely, despair, temptation, sadness, but also hope. If you remembe the 2nd movie of CCS then you can remembr the last card Sakura and Syaoran created together: the hope. So they both will have hoped. Hope can give people incredible power, it makes them bare what they couldn't bare usually. They won't have complained about their own tragedy but hoped, that they can change their son's tragedy. Well, I'd be glad if you answered, moezy-chan, it would be relly interesting, to continue this discussion^^

^ Lol thanks for bringing up the Hope card. When I watched the 2nd CCS movie after reading Tsubasa and that part happened, I couldn't help but think that whole Void thing might have been the inspiration for Tsubasa. Maybe.

Iunno, this might be off-topic. >_>

I just see some comparison, or maybe even parallelism between the two series. /stating the obvious lol

Shaolan wrote:Oh my, moezy-chan, please don't apologize for your statements all the time. This is no ranting, ok?

Thank you Shaolan ^_^ Learned from habit that most people get sick of my complaints about Tsubasa x_x and say I'm wrong ^^;;

Shaolan wrote:Well, I think, you don't have to read CCS to read the plot...but it surely increases the angst that Tsubasa creates. And well, yes, we all thought, CCS-couple would lead a happy life. But it may be us, whi did a misinterpretation of Eriol's statement. (...)

Agreed there. It's just that the way it came across was that Sakura-chan wouldn't have to go through the same problems that Clow Reed probably faced when he was alive. That's what really upsets me.

Shaolan wrote:I have to say, I too think, that CCS is one of their best works, not THE best but one of the best. I guess, X/1999 has a bigger fan-community hasn't it? But that doesn't matter after all.

As already stated~ feel free to correct me ^_^ But X doesn't seem to be as popular to me, as CCS is. Considering that CCS is one of the few fandoms out there that there is a canon pairing, and the plot. Course, I never really tried to read X, cause I know there's no ending, and I don't want to end up enjoying it and be left off at a cliffhanger x_x so I've avoided it like the plague...though I have seen some of the anime. Amazes me that a group can make such an angst-laden series and then create something as cute as CCS XD

Shaolan wrote:So well, I first read CCS and then Tsubasa and I really empathize with our CCS-couple, but again: What they did for their son, is so much Syaoran and Sakura, isn't it? They may have an hard fate, but I think they still have their personallities.

That in itself reminds me of what Yue said to Sakura-chan in the second movie. That is like them. So much so that they will give up what they have to see others happy, and yet, it's not working. It's like the fact that you're kind hearted makes you victims for a horrible ending x_x I always viewed my S&S relationship as one of hope and joy, and while there would be struggles, their love would help them get out of it. That, ultimately, is the plot of CCS. Love will overcome, even if you do suffer through it. Syaoran learned to allow his feelings show, and gave up his fierce and cold exterior and allowed Sakura-chan's innocence and purity fill him. Her innocence is what allowed her to be such a wonderful cardcaptor, and helped protect her friends and loved ones. The Tsubasa plotline is telling me that that holds no bearing x_x

Shaolan wrote:I think, you should see the positive thngs, not the negatives. The feelings, they have feeled in the tube are surely, despair, temptation, sadness, but also hope. If you remembe the 2nd movie of CCS then you can remembr the last card Sakura and Syaoran created together: the hope. (...)

I certainly am trying to. I'm happy to know that my beloved S&S are reunited, and that they weren't killed, but the fact that CLAMP indicated that Tsubasa wouldn't be a sequel still rings in my mind. Still, I'll keep a positive outlook. Tsubasa hasn't ruined everything. It has managed to keep me interested XD I'll give it that.

And thank you ^_^ I love having discussions like this!

wow, true *nods* so many negative response ta TRC at dis point ne? So what do imma think of TRC at this point? Well, de situation is getting more increasingly complicated. We now have CCS couple look alike their TRC SxS teen version O.O It's weird how Clamp always keen ta change and add all these crazy twists from one point to another, which obviously, making our brain going all wizzy It's hard ta know if TRC ending is going ta be happy one and most importantly, our beloved couple SxS are going ta survive or not? ( Clamp, ya betta make them live ya hear? ) Well, Chibi agree with Shaolan-kun, maybe there is hope after all. Maybe CCS and the rest of the character going ta survive except fer one person who will get the unhappy ending and ya know who-> Butt Chin :P