Chapitre 212

Well, I suppose I will clarify what I believe FWR's monologue is saying ^^ At least for the "current situation" with the world/logic crumbling and such:

The creation of Clow Ruin is due to C|Sakura's left over feather. And Yuuko must have something to do with that feather because Yuuko gave Fuuma that "special" container, so that the feather cannot be sense and that C|Sakura's decision to leave that feather behind for Acid Tokyo is no coincidence but hitsuzen.

In which, as time goes on, Acid Tokyo Tower with the help of the feather, both the water and the "building" are safely protected and wouldn't be affected by all the surrounded acid rain. And after years and years later, acid Tokyo no longer have acid rain... in which that's how it slowly developed into what is now called "Clow Country".

okay... kYAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA

So Clow Country and Acid Tokyo are one and the same? And I'm a little afraid...... "change not only the future, but also the past". The past..... the past........ No, brain, don't you dare put two and two together....... what if CLAMP was ight? Thaty every one of the worlds are the same? That maybe, there is a slight poswsibility that the characters from X and the characters from Acid Tokyo ar- no, that doesn't make sense.

But maybe that is the future for the world Watanuki lives in?

And I wouldn't be at all surprised that the ruins were created from Sakura's feather.

And Please let the clones and the vampirte twins have something tpo do with this. ANYTHING that could mean that the clones' scarifices weren't in vain, and that we get to see the twin's once again...

please, pelase please, dom't let this chang everything that hass hsappened in the past. CLAMP,. I'[m begging you. Please don't let all the good be erased. Please......

This was a real "theorise" chaprter. And maybe Tsubasa is going to go on a little longer?

WTF BRAIN BROKEN. D:



...Damnit, I did it again. I thought "Well, that's it. There can't be anymore twists or more brain breakage than that." And EVERY TIME I think this, something EVEN MORE WTF happens. D8

*facepalm*




Lol, You fail, Syaoan. AGAIN.









Cloney wouldn't have failed.

YamiSakura wrote:
In which, as time goes on, Acid Tokyo Tower with the help of the feather, both the water and the "building" are safely protected and wouldn't be affected by all the surrounded acid rain. And after years and years later, acid Tokyo no longer have acid rain... in which that's how it slowly developed into what is now called "Clow Country".

Subaru-kun wrote:
But maybe that is the future for the world Watanuki lives in?

Well I just thought that! From the clues in Tokyo revelations and others, we know CCSworld(which is Holicworld) comes to be Acid Tokyo in the Future right? We saw the little Sakura helping C!Sakura. Now We know that Acid Tokyo comes to be Clow Country in the future right?

SO:

CCS/Holic world ---> Acid Tokyo ----> Clow Country

Now why the hell the country comes to CLOW COUNTRY? Indeed we don't know nothing about Clow, he's such a misterious guy, but he lived in the past and we get another version of Clow in the Future? Will it be the same old Clow Reed that before he died he went to the future? And more, future Fuijitaka, Nadeshiko, Yukito, Touya etc?

About the water, there's no feather in Clow Country, that means that Fuuma's feather is no longer in the reservoir, where did it go? I know it probably go to Sakura, now that they got in Acid Tokyo again!


EDIT: After reading the chapitre again I realized something. We misunderstood the spoilers!!! They didn't go to Acid Tokyo!! The Palace shown in the final page means that they are thinking about Acid Tokyo. I mean, FWR start to talk of all the things that had changed after they started the journey and in the begining of the journey there weren't a feather in Clow. FWR just start to coment the similarity between the Clow country and its past country and they get the conclusion that Acid Tokyo is Clow Country past.

That answer my question above, there is still a feather in Clow Country indeed! So I guess that we misunderstood.. we all thought from the spoilers that they went to Tokyo which they actually didn't.

that's really ,i just want to ask something how could clow be future of tokyo,it should be tokyo is the future and clow is the past.Sakura powe will change clow to tokyo so they will be in tokyo now,aww that's so confused,we will see what will happen in the next chapter

Woah Seishirou, that theory is so interesting, it makes things MAKE SENSE xD
I hope it's right, because it will save my brain from completely breaking down.
So, Tokyo is Clow's past, there is now a feather in Clow because Sakura changed the past by placing a feather there... hmmm it would explain "Syaoran's" surprise at a feather being there...

I just don't want them to be in Tokyo, it's such a bland boring country!

Seishirou wrote:That answer my question above, there is still a feather in Clow Country indeed! So I guess that we misunderstood.. we all thought from the spoilers that they went to Tokyo which they actually didn't.

oh- ohhhhhhhh. yeah, sakura did change the future by leaving a feather. i remember C|syaoran being worried since they changed a country's past. he was wondering whether they would change another future later on.

So the future of xxxHolic is acid tokyo, then clow country?
[dang. so syaoran traveled in time again huh? he went from tokyo to clow. ]
well it does make sense, with the people looking for ruins, which was tokyo before. and of course, the water. R|sakura was being taught how to purify it, too.
that's probably why CLAMP made them spend so much time in tokyo.

Kit-chan wrote:Lol, You fail, Syaoan. AGAIN.









Cloney wouldn't have failed.

XD lol you're right, huh
? if that was cloney, he would've gone all the way to take sakura's hand.

Oh dear gawd, CLAMP has made the logic of my brain begin to crumble DX! actually that's been happening since chapitre 189. ANYWAY. I really shouldn't be reading this stuff so early in the morning LoL...wow. I guess it makes some sense though, what Seishirou said!

Oh my, I'm wondering if I should just wait until Tsubasa finishes and then read the rest and take it all in one sitting =_= naaah...spoilers and weekly chapters are too tempting @_@;;;

o__O CCS/xxxholic world become acid Tokyo, that's a very scary... scary thought if is true. But I don't see how they are related with each other!?

IF that's true, then CCS/xxxholic world technically speaking shouldn't exist anymore. When Acid Tokyo come about in which "Syaoran" was sent from Yuuko's shop to Tokyo!! xxxholic world still very much existed. Watanuki even SAW "Syaoran" before he left.

Spoiler:

All of these happen at the same time between "CCS/xxxholic" world and "Acid Tokyo world"... so it is not quite possible that those 2 are the same world.

I'm with Seishirou's idea that they are still in Clow, just remembering Tokyo (as Clow's past) and that the feather must now be in Clow due to changing the past. I don't believe CCS world is Tokyo, the crossovers would mix up too much stuff.

My friend had an interesting idea. The water in Clow is very protective of Sakura, yes? In Tokyo, the water drew in her soul didn't it? Maybe because it's the same water in different times just trying to protect her again. Dunno what you guys will make of it, but I like that idea :3

Seconding Yamisakura, I also do not agree at all with Seishirou's thinking that CCS/Holic are the past version of Clow Country: it was clearly established from the very start and many times afterward that 'Syaoran' was undoubtedly sent to another world that his mother dreamed about, thanks to Yuuko, not to the future of his own home world; plus, the existence of persons like Fujitaka/Nadeshiko/Sakura/Touya/Yukito... would also be unexplainable if it's the future : all those people should be long dead from the past.
The time line do not fit either: we can see Watanuki living in CCS/Holic at the same time we are seeing 'Syaoran' and the rest of the gang right now in TRC.
I don't really see how Seishirou related those worlds together.

As we have questioned all along, What exactly is the power underneath the Clow Ruin BEFORE FWR start the journey?? From his logic currently, the power came from Sakura-hime's feather [or we can say came from Sakura-hime whatever mysterious mystical being she is ^^;;;]
So, since the beginning Sakura-hime IS the source of the power x__x [that doesn't make any sense ^^;; Actually I have this thought a while back: Is the mystical power within Clow Country pass on by generation *maybe through mother-daughter, like Nadashiko has that unknown power within her too*??]
However, since it is within her, FWR couldn't acquire THAT power and thus he attempted to spread or split up her power through extracting her memories and heart [I still don't understand how ] . And when her power extracted across different dimension, it will amplify and grow to its own potential power that FWR could use.

or Maybe... just maybe FWR want to acquire the power of Clow Country but he can no longer get his hand on it [since it is embedded within Clow Ruin], in which he found out the history of Clow Country that he knew it was originally formed from "Acid Tokyo" [of course that place shouldn't exist anymore since is the past]! And through all those time reverse, world/logic is crumbling. He actually change the initial "source" of power through Sakura-hime's feather??

Hm... I will have to agree in the end "WHAT/WHO is Sakura-hime??" Where does her source of power come from??

YamiSakura wrote:As we have questioned all along, What exactly is the power underneath the Clow Ruin BEFORE FWR start the journey??

You do have a point there... I don't like this theorising stuff *is really bad at it* so I'm just gonna sit quietly and wait for the next chapter.
To be honest I just don't want them to go to Tokyo at the moment, it doesn't seem interesting to me ^.^'

Aokaji wrote:To be honest I just don't want them to go to Tokyo at the moment, it doesn't seem interesting to me ^.^'

^^;; they are NOT & will NOT go to Tokyo... "current/twisted logic" Clow Country they are located in = Future of Acid Tokyo.
You can say they are in Tokyo but not really XD Since Acid Tokyo at the moment no longer exist anymore, it has become Clow Country... and the feather that Mokona felt currently IS the same feather that was left behind by C|Sakura back then!!
Somehow, when time start turning again, the seal for the "container" no longer can hide the presence of the feather. [Though I suppose that "container" was given by Yuuko to Fuuma] And I have a new thinking that maybe that "seal" of container represent the frozen time of little|Sakura that Yuuko did.

Thanks for clearing that up, I get very easily confused. I'm sorry if I've caused you any trouble/frustration there...

Aokaji wrote:Thanks for clearing that up, I get very easily confused. I'm sorry if I've caused you any trouble/frustration there...

Why are you apologizing? You're just theorizing/thinking, which is very good! That stuff is what makes this board. You're quite thoughtful and I thank you for sharing your thoughts! :) I also carried a thought considering the worlds they had travelled potentially being the past/present/future, although Fai and Kurogane originated from different worlds entirely, disregarding Kurogane who may have come from a past....

It still fails to make sense to me. Before Sakura had underwent her journey, had their been power in the ruins? And FWR creating a clone still doesn't make sense to me. He needed her soul; plus another in case? o_0 He was able to make two very powerful beings?


Could someone perhaps clarify young Sakura's role for me? Is she dead, now? Did she vanish after being consumed by the darkness?

And I agree with Rayna
Aokaji-san, you don't need to apologize... we are all theorizing and clarifying things in here especially CLAMP just love to mess with our mind @___@ and Trust me, I have my incoherent moment when I finally read the scans & translation with all the WTF!!

Rayna wrote:Before Sakura had underwent her journey, had their been power in the ruins?

There is because Yuuko said once that Clow Reed has verified the Clow Ruin power already and it is not possible to grant that wish! FWR merely attempt "again" with some improvement [his psycho "let's crumble the world and logic" plan -__-] too~

Rayna wrote:Could someone perhaps clarify young Sakura's role for me? Is she dead, now? Did she vanish after being consumed by the darkness?

You know I once has a thought that young Sakura was only a feather illusion ^^;;; I mean how convenient/coincident is that once the time start moving and once young Sakura is completely consumed by the darkness....
Mokona start screaming "I sense the presence of the feather"...
BUT if is true, maybe that was my theory that related to the "acid tokyo" left-over feather [with the whole "the sealed container" no longer can hide the presence]

Just my 2 cents

.... I don't get it at all....This chapter made no sense to me. Syaoran didn't get to grab Sakura's hand, and from there I got lost. And What is FWR planning?! As for the Tokyo factor, can someone explain? There are at Clow Country, is Tokyo an illusion then?

but can we safely assume that the future of acid tokyo IS clow kingdom?
for me it makes sense...(unless some contradicts the idea and convinces me thats not the case.)
and i wasnt sure about "holic world=acid tokyo=clow" either actually. (-was reading previous posts-) i was just pretty sure that acid tokyo is now clow, since FWR implied it...in a way.

oooh i just thought of something! when sakura was telling syaoran of a memory, syaoran said something like "as if the sandstorms protects whatever is inside of it". well the feathers in tokyo had the power to protect, too (thats why the building wont crumble to dust). so, i guess that it was the feather that sakura left.

[i think there's flaws in this theory. syaoran said those words before they got to tokyo, but irdk. im just trying to help predict whats really going on...]

.............NOTHING MAKES SENSE ANYMORE, HELP

i'm just going to rock myself in a little corner and mutter incoherently .___. Pretty much all I realized in this chapter is that Kyle's a clone and that little!Sakura has a really cute mouth o.o I get the similarities between Clow and Acid!Tokyo, but is all of this intermingling of past/present/future countries possible? It's mind boggling and hurts my brain very very much D:

lol, if Acid!Tokyo is Clow's past, then I wonder who Fujitaka and Nadeshiko's descendants were xD

Invisible_Writer wrote:.............NOTHING MAKES SENSE ANYMORE, HELP

i'm just going to rock myself in a little corner and mutter incoherently .___. Pretty much all I realized in this chapter is that Kyle's a clone and that little!Sakura has a really cute mouth o.o I get the similarities between Clow and Acid!Tokyo, but is all of this intermingling of past/present/future countries possible? It's mind boggling and hurts my brain very very much D:

lol, if Acid!Tokyo is Clow's past, then I wonder who Fujitaka and Nadeshiko's descendants were xD

Nothing makes sense to me anymore either, so we're on the same page, Invisi-chan.

Well, it seems that AcidTokyo is Clow's past coz C!Sakura left the feather to the X alternates and the feather seemed to stop the acid rain and creat Clow (or something like that)

Lol, and yes we know the desendants.

I think Invisible Writer meant ancestors, basically if Tokyo is Clow's past, than it's possible an X character is Fujitaka or Nadeshiko's great great... etc Grandmother/father.

Well, we can see that nothing is making sense indeed.

What I tried to say is Okawa put little CCSakura-chan in the OAD Tokyo Revelations, which I still don't think it was just for fun. I guess she tried to tell us something there.

About CCSworld being the Acid Tokyo past I meant that even Yuuko consider that are diferent worlds. everyone calls Acid Tokyo a world and Clow Country another world. Just for the diference of time they consider that is infact another world, that way Syaoran indeed was sent to another world (Clow Country) in the beginnig of all.

Watanuki indeed got those bottles of water to Acid Tokyo and they aren't the same world if you consider time as typed above as we are considering Aicd Tokyo and Clow country as two diferent worlds like back then in Shara Sura arc. There were two diferent worlds in diferent times.


I just bet my two cents that CCSakura in Tokyo revelations wasn't coinsidence, cause we are tired to know that there's no thing as coinsidence, all is hitzusen!!!! Remember that was Okawa who wrote Tokyo revelations... :)

YamiSakura wrote:

Rayna wrote:Could someone perhaps clarify young Sakura's role for me? Is she dead, now? Did she vanish after being consumed by the darkness?

You know I once has a thought that young Sakura was only a feather illusion ^^;;; I mean how convenient/coincident is that once the time start moving and once young Sakura is completely consumed by the darkness....
Mokona start screaming "I sense the presence of the feather"...
BUT if is true, maybe that was my theory that related to the "acid tokyo" left-over feather [with the whole "the sealed container" no longer can hide the presence]

Just my 2 cents

I prefer what you're saying, actually. To me, younger Sakura shouldn't even be there-she had already grown-up and became the Sakura that C!Syaorank knew .... I thought maybe it was because time was frozen; somehow another Sakura was made...

Is is possible (and it's just a random thought attempting to break through CLAMPS wonderful surprises) that the people of Clow Country are all Clones themselves?? Sakura, Fujitaka, Touya, Yukito ... all possibly created by FWR by the potential manipulation of time? Is is possible to create a clone-of-a-clone if he uses a younger version who grows into an entirely different version of Sakura? , what happens if he had somehow destroyed the body of CCS||Sakura and that's why all these other Sakuras carry so much power? It's said in CCS that Sakura was stronger than Clow Reed himself!

And we currently don't know where CCS||Sakura is ... XD

Rayna wrote:
Is is possible (and it's just a random thought attempting to break through CLAMPS wonderful surprises) that the people of Clow Country are all Clones themselves?? Sakura, Fujitaka, Touya, Yukito ... all possibly created by FWR by the potential manipulation of time?

it has some meaning... I mean, everyone in Clow country melt the same way FWR puppets melt too...